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Reins and hands and legs (oh my!) 2008/02/24 18:24 Karma: 0  
Hi,
Can anyone help me with a few western basics?
How short should western reins be and what is considered too long? Is there a specific point on the horses neck or shoulder to aim for for the perfect length?
Also are your hands like in English with thumbs up? I'm talking about reins held in each hand in this situation.
And finally with leg aids is the idea to let your leg move loosely with the horse constantly, but when giving an instruction you quicken the "flapping" then return to moving loosely once the instruction has been followed? Or should you not make any contact at all until the next instruction?
I'm just trying to get to grips with the whole thing-can anyone recommend any good books?
Thanks.
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Re:Reins and hands and legs (oh my!) 2008/02/24 19:34 Karma: 24  
Hello again, just full of advice tonight aren't I... don't worry I leave the country in two weeks so I'll be quiet for a while then... not for long though...

As for legs... everybody has a different way, personally, I am of the "hang loose" school of thought... your legs should hang down the sides of your horse, not stuck out, just gently draped around your horse.

Western riders should appear to communicate telepathically with their horse, so flapping legs is a no no in my book... it's ugly for a start, and it does little other than desensitizing your horse to subtle leg cues... which is the point of western equitation. If you flap for nothing, how does your horse know when your are flapping for real? if you have to flap to keep your horse moving, your horse needs more training!

If you were to ride in a pleasure or horsemanship class with flapping legs you'd be penalised. You should sit still, and upright in the center of your horse.

Hands, depends on the rein, split with snaffle, split with curb, rommal, or mecate with bosal... but generally yes, thumbs are on top, reins dont come through third/fourth fingers as with english but pass through a closed but not tense fist.

Split reins with a snaffle are generally held bridged (both reins pass through each hand), tails of the reins must be crossed and hanging on the opposite side of the neck/shoulder.

Mecate are closed reins,used with a bosal (bitless bridle/hackamore) and held similarly to english in that the excess just drops down the shoulder.

Split reins with a curb are held in one hand, should be left if you are right handed and right if you are left handed (leaves your good hand free for roping you see! ) with the excess hanging down the same side as your rein hand, index finger of rein hand goes through to seperate the reins.

Rommal reins, also a closed rein, used with a curb, are held in a closed fist, no seperating index finger, with the rommal being held 16 inches from the rein hand... I believe, don't quote me I'll have to double check!

Rein length depends on the horse, the rider and the discipline. A finished horse and rider can operate on just the weight of the rein, so long drape of rein, like AQHA pleasure horses. Reining riders, have a reasonable length to show their horses are "willingly guided" but have a little more contact for the manoeuvers. Barrel racers/games riders/cattle work all tend to have shorter reins, partly for contact, mostly for safety I believe. Horsemanship has a shorter rein then pleasure, but with a light contact, and curbs are ridden different to snaffles and bosals, so theres no short answer to that I'm afraid!

And as for great books, get on Amazon, theres loads. All disciplines, all trainers, all styles... you'll find the ones that work for you, just have an open mind and dabble in all til you find the right one/s.
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Re:Reins and hands and legs (oh my!) 2008/02/24 19:54 Karma: 0  
Hi

Firstly let me start by saying that I am a novice as well, and I am sure that someone who has been riding far longer than I will post a reply as well so please only take this as advise not as gospel.

1 How Short Should your reins be? Well from this question I am assuming you are talking about the actual physical length of the reins. From what I can make out they usually come between 7-8ft long but in varied widths and you should try and choose the rein that feels most comfortable in your hands.

2 Hand hold I have attached a picture taken from Craig Cameron's Ride Smart which also might be of some help with your last question. I think it is a good book another is Western Horsemanship by Richard Shrake.

3 Legs From my understanding legs are just one of the aides available if my horse is doing what is asked of him then I will just keep my legs still and try and concentrate on feeling the horses movement through my seat and only put my leg back when I need to keep forward motion or move up a gait.

Like I say at the start I am only a novice so it is just advice and if I am off the mark I sure someone will point out my errors. Hope I have been of some help?

Kind regards

Neil

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Re:Reins and hands and legs (oh my!) 2008/02/24 20:27 Karma: 0  
Hi,
Thanks for the advice! Should leg aids for walking on or jogging be squeezes then stopping when the horse does as requested or should it be little light taps on the horses side getting stronger if he doesn't respond then easing off when he does, or doesn't it matter?
That probably sounds really picky, but I want to do things properly!
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Re:Reins and hands and legs (oh my!) 2008/02/24 21:01 Karma: 1  
Did wonder about the 'flapping'!
I would say it depends on the horse and he stage of training. I always ask first with, 1 cluck = walk, 2 = jog,
kiss = lope. Maybe backed up with some leg pressure if I feel some resistance. Bigger resistance gets a kick! Some horses will go better by the rider just wearing spurs. Initially this means riding with your legs off the horse 'cos your petrified
you'll kick the horse and it will have a hizzy fit!
I have found any books or DVD's by Bob Mayhew or David Grey the best although I do have other stuff that I rarely delve into.
Have you got a picture of the 'flapping legs'?

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Re:Reins and hands and legs (oh my!) 2008/02/24 21:14 Karma: 0  
So voice is just as important? Are western horses taught to respond to sounds more?
I've never had the chance to see how a horse is taught to accept commands from a rider in any discipline and I find the whole process fascinating.
I suppose it's like learning a language and each discipline is like a different language!
Yeah by flapping I meant constant gentle kicks until the horse responds-didn't know what else to call it
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